June 16, 2025· 35 min

Jim Egan on the Mortgage Gap That's Dividing America

Orality
Model
88%
Highly oral (epic poetry, sermons, hip-hop)

Speaker Breakdown

HostJoe Weisenthal(1,740 words)
M:29%
HostTracy Alloway(3,427 words)
M:26%
GuestJim Egan(1,516 words)
M:29%

Oral Indicators

Agonistic32%
very, terrible, clearly
Engagement65%
you, our, your
Memory Aids100%
listen, so, now
Repetition100%
like (74x), it's (60x), about (49x)
Parallelism75%
So have you heard the story ab..., So switch to Verizon Business,..., And I'm Joe Weisenthal....
Sound Patterns62%
49 question(s), alliteration: "markets move", alliteration: "barclays brief"
Formulaic Phrases5%
you know what, i mean

Literate Indicators

Hedging8%
could, maybe, quite
Passive Voice5%
were announced, are depressed, were hiked
Abstract Nouns21%
investment, prescription, medication
Subordination9%
since, because, therefore
Sentence Length34%
Avg: 13.5 words/sentence
Word Complexity48%
investment, analyze, anticipate
Academic Markers4%
according to
Impersonal Style35%
516 personal pronouns found
Descriptive Style85%
automatically, family, apply

Description

Somehow, the American consumer remains quite strong. Despite higher interest rates, tariffs, general economic uncertainty and so forth, people are continuing to spend. And yet there are some pockets of weakness that you can observe, especially if you look at delinquency data for various types of credit. But even here the patterns aren’t totally obvious, as it doesn’t break down nicely among prime vs. non-prime borrowers. But there is one important divide: Do you have a ZIRP-era mortgage or not? According to Morgan Stanley housing strategist Jim Egan, there is a massive difference in how strained people are for those who locked in their housing costs prior to 2021 vs. those who didn’t. People with ZIRP-era mortgages are benefiting from low stable payments (which have declined on a real basis), as well as broad equity accumulation. Those who didn’t are much more strained in their finances. We discuss how this is playing out, as well as the state of the housing market more broadly, which has seen rising inventories, and the possibility for an overall downturn in prices nationwide. Only Bloomberg.com subscribers can get the Odd Lots newsletter in their inbox — now delivered every weekday — plus unlimited access to the site and app. Subscribe at bloomberg.com/subscriptions/oddlots See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.